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Rhyme and reason

What good is science to poets? And what good is poetry to scientists?


[Published 17th August 2007 02:14 PM GMT]


What hope have we to know ourselves, when we
Know not the least things, which for our use be.
Why grass is green, or why our blood is red,
Are mysteries which none have reach'd unto.

John Donne, "On the progress of the soul"


How would John Donne react if he knew that his rhetorical questions about chlorophyll and hemoglobin, which he intended in a "when hell freezes over" sort of way, are actually now solved? Clearly, he believed that science and reason poison the soul; the take-home message from "On the progress of the soul" is that not only can't we know life's mysteries, but it isn't healthy to even try.

For hundreds of years, poets have written about science. Yet according to poet Maurice Riordan and science writer Jon Turney, authors of A quark for Mister Mark, poets have traditionally stuck with two age-old themes: our place in the universe and the nature of our origins. More recent topics have taken time to move from the bench to poets' brains.

Genetics is one topic that is starting to take prominence. At a recent London meeting about poetry and science held by the philanthropic organization Poet in the City, Michael Symmons Roberts read his science-inspired poetry. At times, he comes across as ambivalent; while he is clearly very interested in genetics, the words betray an edge of hostility. In his poem "Mapping the Genes," he likens the geneticist to a driver tearing through the desert in a "topless coupe," the helix "unravelled as vista / as vanishing point." The act takes the form of a cavalier desecration of nature.

Symmons Roberts' disapproval is made explicit in "To John Donne," a homage to Donne's erotic poem "To His Mistress Going to Bed." In the original poem, Donne compares undressing his lover to the discovery of America. But in Symmons Roberts' version, the lover finds his mistress has already been violated -- by geneticists: "[H]er body is already mapped," and "her breast's / curve has a patent." Symmons Robert's antipathy may be fuelled by conversations he has had with Nobel Laureate John Sulston, an outspoken critic of gene patenting. Yet the poet also seems to object to the act of knowing itself -- as if complete description kills the beauty of life. "It's all mapped -- there is no new landscape," he laments in "Mapping the genes."

Scientists occasionally cringe over some cases of "poetic license." When reciting his poem "The UV catastrophe," Riordan stated that Planck's constant is "precise, unlike pi" -- which had the epidemiologist next to me, Bill Hanage of London's Imperial College, bristling. He thought that much of the science/poetry relationship was one-sided and even parasitic. "Poets borrow language and ideas, but don't contribute to scientific understanding," he said.

But I believe that scientists can benefit from poetry: Aside from the aesthetic experience it can provide, poetry can make people more aware of scientific issues. More practically, scientists are indebted to a key poetic tool, metaphors, which pop up all over their language: think of immune "battles", cytokine "storms," cell "factories," and molecular "cascades."

At the London meeting held last month, poets, too, insisted that science is good for poetry, inasmuch as it continually provides new language and concepts for wordsmiths to play with.

So do poets and scientists have anything in common? As a former physicist who did his Ph.D. in optoelectrics, the poet Mario Petrucci ought to know. He told the audience that both practitioners "pay the world their full attention, and bear witness." He put it best, perhaps, when he joked, "Science and poetry is not a marriage - but they do exchange theoretical fluids."

Jennifer Rohn is a Research Fellow at the MRC Laboratory for Molecular Cell Biology at University College London, and the editor of LabLit.com.

What can science do for poetry, and vice versa? Tell us here.

Jennifer Rohn
mail@the-scientist.com

Links within this article:

M. Riordan and J. Turney, A Quark For Mister Mark, October 2000.
http://www.amazon.com/Quark-Mister-Mark-Faber-Poetry/dp/0571205429

Poet in the City
http://www.poetinthecity.co.uk/

Michael Symmons Roberts
http://www.symmonsroberts.com

John Sulston as gene patenting critic
http://www.whoownsyourbody.org/sulston.html

Bill Hanage
http://www1.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/people/w.hanage/

M. Wenner, "The war against war metaphors," The Scientist, February 16, 2007.
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/52851

Mario Petrucci
http://www.writersartists.net/petrucci.htm

MRC LMCB
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/LMCB

LabLit
http://www.lablit.com


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Poetry and science
by Oli Clark

[Comment posted 2007-08-23 06:27:05]
I think perhaps science has more to offer poetry than poetry has to science. Yet both are concerned with attempting to explain things that at present we don't understand.

Um. I like science and poetry. I'm no good at either.



Science and Poetry
by Iggy McGovern

[Comment posted 2007-08-22 11:32:53]
Required reading for anyone venturing into this field is Miroslav Holob's essay 'Poetry and Science' in 'The Dimension of the Present Moment' (Faber 1990). Poet and scientist Holub has a foot in both camps (and the other essays are wonderful, too). Another source is 'Contemporary poetry and contemporary science' (OUP 2006) edited by Robert Crawford.



pondering the mysteries: chlorophyll and hemoglobin
by Sophia Yancopoulos

[Comment posted 2007-08-21 07:54:11]
The wellsprings of curiousity feed both the poet and the scientist, and in their respective ways they each penetrate into some aspect of understanding. Although we now know the structures of chlorophyll and hemoglobin, and even somewhat of what makes them tick, the poet's intution stretches farther and in that reach helps the scientist to someday more fully grasp that not only are these structures related in sharing a common building block, the porphin ring, but also in function: One absorbs light to produce high-energy electrons which are transmitted through an electron transfer chain to produce energy for the cell, while the other carries oxygen from the lungs to the tissues using heme to bind two electrons which happen to be attached to oxygen. There are even deeper relationships which can be uncovered, that underlie their relatedness, as all organisms which share these molecules are evolutionarily related-- and these connections are rooted in their evolutionary history.



Patterns
by Omar

[Comment posted 2007-08-20 00:02:29]
Mathematics, as poetry, is concerned with patterns.



Try to imagine
by Ruth Rosin

[Comment posted 2007-08-19 22:39:27]
Ah, well! I very often try to imagine what it would have been like for Galilei, if he could come back to life, to confront today's science, and especially modern astronomy. But, I absolutely can't!



Mysteries mostly solved
by Jennifer Rohn

[Comment posted 2007-08-19 17:45:14]
As the author of this piece, I just want to clarify that I did not intend to imply that Donne was anti-science, being well aware of his interest the contemporary discoveries being made around him. (An interest, unfortunately, the editorial length limit on my piece prevented me from explaining in detail.) I only meant to state my opinion that the poem 'On the progress of the soul' carries this message - though I can see that the phrasing is ambiguous, for which I apologize. According to poet Maurice Riordan, who introduced this poem at the conference, Donne was sceptical of "the new learning" and often tried to convey caution about science in his poetry, and I agree that this tone comes through when reading some of his work.

As an aside, I obviously did not mean to imply that every last detail of green grass and red blood are completely understood, but surely we can agree that we have a pretty good idea of the basics. In contrast, it seems obvious from the context of the poem that Donne did not expect these particular mysteries to be even remotely understandable. Ever. (Other mysteries included in the poem are why blood pumps and what sputum is made of ? concepts also fairly well grasped by now.) I only alluded to this because I find it amazing to contemplate how far we have come since Donne's day, and find it hard to imagine how strange it would be to live in a world in which the simple scientific truths we take for granted now are simply a black box about which poets can only dream.



Multiple personalities
by Ruth Rosin

[Comment posted 2007-08-19 16:09:34]
In my mind, science and poetry are irrelevant to one another.

I humbly submit that we all have multiple personalities that usually co-exist quite peacefully, because when one is engaged, the others are suspended.

One of these personalities may find pleasure in understanding the laws of optics that result in the formation of a rainbow, while a totally different personality of ours enjoys the beauty of the rainbow, without any concern for the scientific explanation behind its formation.

By the same token, it is a different personality of ours that deals with scientific issues, than the one that deals with poetry, or any other of the arts, or with physical activity, or with the tastes and aromas of different foods, etc.

Nonetheless, what each person finds engaging, important, exciting, pleasurable, beautiful, is inevitably affected by our culture, and experience.

Science is, however basically, different. Scientists are greatly disturbed when faced with a controversy between incommensurate paradigms in their own scientific field of expertise. But, in other areas, we learn to accept that our "own cup of tea" may not at all be "someone else's cup of tea".



Rhyme and Reason
by Bryan Reuben

[Comment posted 2007-08-19 06:02:48]
You write "Clearly, he (John Donne)believed that science and reason poison the soul; ...not only can't we know life's mysteries, but it isn't healthy to even try."

Not so. Donne was an enthusiast for the science of his day, and his poems are permeated with scientifc images--the pair of compasses, the discovery of America, the heliocentric universe. Unlike modern poets, he did notlook back to a rosy and non-existent golden age; he was totally au fait with the science going on around him.
Yours etc
Bryan Reuben
Professor emeritus of chemical technology
London South Bank University
reubenbg@LSBU.ac.uk




Re: Kathy Downing's poem, and further thoughts from Einstein on "mystery"
by Ronald Pies MD

[Comment posted 2007-08-18 17:50:45]
Kathy Downing's fine poem resonates with my earlier comments regarding the scope of scientific explanation; as Downing notes, "The How of hemoglobin is not the Why of Red."

Our most perceptive poets, like our wisest scientists, understand well what Albert Einstein said regarding the mystery of the Universe:

"Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in point of fact, religious.

- Albert Einstein, Response to atheist, Alfred Kerr (1927), quoted in The Diary of a Cosmopolitan (1971)




In Defense of Donne
by Kathy Downing

[Comment posted 2007-08-18 13:49:05]
The Left Brain thinks that poetry desecrates science ?
The Right Brain thinks exactly the reverse.
Too bad that neither gets it, that poetry, merely terse,
May be wailing the loss of mystery & ambience
And grieving the illusion that in giving credence
To some factual stuff, the meaning-questions curse
The facts for seeming to make them worse
Than useless ? black ?n? white instead of ambivalence.
The anguish! That the luminous has been shed!
Poetry seeks reunion with the One:
The How of hemoglobin is not the Why of Red:
Receptive Green absorbs the Life of Sun
And mere Knowledge can never explain the Hearts Desire,
For Love, and Essence, and Liberty, Light, and Fire!
-- Kathy Downing, 8-18-07



Poetry and Science: Solving Mysteries or Deepening Them?
by Ronald Pies MD

[Comment posted 2007-08-18 12:56:17]
Dr. Rohn wonders how the poet John Donne would react if he knew that his questions about "why grass is green" and "why our blood is red" are (as Dr. Rohn put it) "actually now solved." Actually, Dr. Rohn needn't worry: these questions are far from solved. A philosopher of science might respond that--whereas we may know how hemoglobin and chlorophyll absorb certain frequencies of light, and not others, we haven't a clue as to "why" this is so. Why, for example, was the universe not set up in such a way that chlorophyll results in the perception of blue? For that matter, how do we know that one person's perception of "green grass" is really anything like another's perception, even when both people use the word "green" to describe it?

The greatest of our scientists have recognized that science ultimately cannot provide answers to these sorts of existential "why" questions. Newton acknowledged that, while he could describe how gravity works in his famous equations, he did not claim to know, ultimately, what gravitational attraction "is", or why it should exist as it does.

Nor am I convinced that John Donne believed that "not only can't we know life's mysteries...it isn't healthy to even try." Arguably, Donne was as interested in grappling with mysteries as any scientist (even though he worried, in the wake of Galileo's discoveries, that "[The] new Philosophy calls all in doubt / The Element of fire is quite put out" (The First Anniversary, 205-06). But, like the poet Emily Dickinson, Donne's poetry is aimed at heightening mysteries, not solving them [for an insightful essay on Dickinson and science, see Fred D. White's essay at LINK In one of his sonnets, Donne observes that, on the one hand, he is "a little world made cunningly Of elements" --but at the same time, "an angelic sprite." This is not an anti-scientific attitude; rather, it is an acknowledgment that, while both poets and scientists seek the truth, the greatest examplars in both fields know that ultimate "truth" may always remain a mystery--and that such truth as we may perceive is seen "through a glass darkly." --Ronald Pies MD

The author is a physician with the State University of New York Upstate Medical Center, and
the author of Creeping Thyme, a collection of poetry (Brandylane Publishing).




Ed e Subito Sera
by Jack von Borstel

[Comment posted 2007-08-18 00:47:37]
Ognuno sta solo
Sul cuore delle terra
Traffita da un raggio di sole
Ed e subito sera

Salvatore Quasimodo (1901-1968)

**********************************

Each one stands alone
On the heart of the Earth
Pierced through with a ray of sunlight
And it is suddenly night

Translated by Jack von Borstel



What can science do for poetry?
by Mary Manning

[Comment posted 2007-08-17 22:04:13]
From the macro to the micro, science discoveries give poets fuel for their imaginations, a new way of looking at the world, and a perspective that no human beings have ever had in the history of civilization. Science is not static. Like language, science is dynamic, with plenty of surprises arriving each day. As a journalist, I have had a foot in both camps most of my professional life, and took the course work for a Ph.D. in Environmental Science (life got in the way and I had to take care of my ailing mother). Knowledge does not dull the senses of beauty, I discovered.



beauty defining beauty
by Kim Edmondson

[Comment posted 2007-08-17 21:11:11]
Yes, poetry and science are mutally beneficial!

As a child, poetry first led me to appreciate those things that my immature mind could not comprehend. My later education showed me that these "things" were science. My lifelong passion will always be to meld the two. I truly believe that a scientist is a poet of sorts, whether that person appreciates it or not. Poetry is not so much about words as it is about speaking a person's passionate soul.




Poetry and Science: A View from the Divide
by Bob Sheehy

[Comment posted 2007-08-17 16:05:53]
Alison H. Deming wrote a wonderful essay on this topic in the late 90s.

LINK



Poetry and Computer Science
by Edward Bevan

[Comment posted 2007-08-17 11:59:49]
We (IBM Research) held a seminar on a similar topic and had some very interesting conversations. You can read more about it here:

LINK



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