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The debate was sparked by an article in Science entitled "Framing science", which argued that stating the facts is not enough if scientists want to communicate technical complexities in the news. The authors, Matthew Nisbet and Chris Mooney, proposed in this article and elsewhere that scientists should pare down complex technical issues and learn to actively "frame" the information to make it relevant to different audiences.
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Almost immediately the science blogosphere was filled with heated discussions on the topic. (You can find an exhaustive list of the blog posts and discussions here.) Critics said that "framing science" is just another way of saying spin, and that scientists should never sacrifice the facts or the message no matter who their audience is.
But what do you think? Are you concerned about the way that scientists discuss hot-button issues like stem cell research and climate change in the public domain? How do you think scientists should explain these messages to an often-wary general public?
To inform a future feature in the magazine that will be co-written by one of the authors of the Science article that started the debate, we want to know your thoughts. You can have your say in two ways: Post a comment here how you think scientists should communicate about issues that set the public agenda, and also take part in a special online survey, devised by the feature authors and the editors of The Scientist, which explores many of the issues around scientists and the media.
With your help we can gauge how the life science community and people who have an interest in life sciences feel about the issue of framing science, and add to the growing debate that could help shape the future of science communication in the media.
Editor's note (posted July 30): When originally posted, the article incorrectly spelled Matthew Nisbet's name. We regret the error, which has been corrected.
Links within this article:
M.C. Nisbet and C. Mooney. Framing science. Science, April 6, 2007.
http://www.the-scientist.com/pubmed/17412941
M.C. Nisbet and C. Mooney. Thanks for the facts, now sell them. Washington Post April 15, 2007.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041302064_pf.html
One-stop shopping for the framing science debate.
Science & Politics April 20, 2007.
http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html



[Comment posted 2008-05-03 11:11:02]
Move on from the politicians and dismiss their claims for what they are, the voices of the global minority who do not speak for anyone but the varied corporate interests that they work for.
An intellectual coup is needed. Give the media no other option but which action is preferred, not whether action is required or not.
As a TV producer in a large market the methodology is "perceived objectivity". Loosely translated that means "he said, she said". No critical thinking required. Brains need not apply, and this is the medium that the majority of Americans get their information from. If the public is given a choice to delay their upheaval from a comfortable "Oprah-xistence" they most certainly will. The media has been used by corporate interests to, as David Hume suggested, massage the minds of men. If the scinetific community took a page out of the Karl Rove playbook and just stay on message and on point they could have a fighting chance.
Get FOX to tear each other apart about whether or not tidal power is better than solar but move them off of fossil fuels altogether by not even presenting them the option.
[Comment posted 2007-11-02 00:14:51]
Kahneman, Tversky and Thaler etc have shown that rationality is an illusive item and Douglas and Wildavsky ('Risk and Culture') and Thompson et al ('Cultural Theory') have shown cultural interpretation plays a bigger part in decisions and ontological comprehension than any agreed facts.
[Comment posted 2007-10-04 10:34:04]
Humans are the only ones who can speak about scientific data, and scientists are the only ones who speak for such data, by interpreting the data. The interpretation can, however, be made only within a frame of reference. When science in a specific field becomes what Thomas Kuhn calls ?normal science?, i.e. when there is a ruling paradigm accepted by all scientists in that field, the frame of reference for the interpretations of data is that very same ruling paradigm. I do not want to even begin to get into the very complex situation that arises when science in a specific field is what Kuhn calls ?abnormal science?, i.e. when no agreement has yet been reached on a ruling paradigm accepted by all scientists in that field, (and, instead, there are different schools, each relying on its own paradigm, that is incommensurate with the paradigms accepted by the other schools), or when a severe crisis occurs in the ruling paradigm, long after it had been accepted by all, and this leads a single scientist, or a small group of scientists, to attempt to topple what was the ruling paradigm, and replace it with a new, revolutionary paradigm, as a candidate for the position of the new ruling paradigm. Suffice it to note that the statement ?Let the best candidate win!? is very often far easier said, than done, and that this is not an issue that can be easily explained to non-scientists.
The Utopia that Vannevar Bush had promised us, may, or may not be realized, because new scientific discoveries have nothing to do with ethics. Any new scientific discovery can be used for good, or evil, depending on the purpose, and ethics, of those who figure a way to make use of it. All I wish to do here is express objection to the idea that scientists should be rewarded in accordance with the benefits to humanity, (a rather ill defined term), that their discoveries produce. Such a reward system is bound to stifle basic research, where the usefulness of a new discovery are not at all immediately obvious, and may be fully appreciated many years, or even generations later.
[Comment posted 2007-08-30 18:06:51]
Was this an impossible situation? No, I simply had to learn how to frame my approaches, so that I wasn't immediatly dismissed. Framing a science message properly doesn't involve lying or "dumbing down." It involves making an approach that opens peoples ears and minds, so that they can hear the science.
Two examples: if I started with "logging can harm forest ecosystems" I mostly got denial and dismissal. Instead, if I started with "do you care about deer and salmon?" then people would say yes and engage in conversation. Later, after we were effectively exchanging views, I could get to my science about logging effects on salmon. How hard is that? Is it lying? No, it's framing and it's smart.
[Comment posted 2007-08-24 05:24:22]
[Comment posted 2007-08-21 21:17:20]
This is what I have observed over the years, as I'm sure many others in my situation have: part of it is a "science roadblock" or "SR", part of it is lack of education and concept (not necessarily SR), and then there is getting the communication down just right. This is exactly why education should be individualized. Unfortunately, this is not practical in many ways, but at the same time, it gives us scientists an opportunity to give back (considering MANY of us have gotten free schooling!).
Truth be told it takes about a 30 minute conversation to get someone to understand the basics of science... and that's just in one field, which universalizes to others. It takes about three hours to describe something really complicated (like a thesis). These all break down to the concept of Truth: Yes, or No. Many do not understand, and honestly some never will. I have been trying for years and years to communicate with the "laypeople" out there in the universe about science. Granted, sometimes it's been over a few beers and hearing crickets when it comes to their science background, but that is what makes it fun and challenging.
Another thing... scientists just don't get out enough. We are a novelty, a dusty trinket that comes off a shelf when a new loved one enters the family and the family jewels are shown. Always in the lab, working, reading, communicating with one another, and that only if you're forced to. We have to start being fair to those others out there. We have knowledge that they want. Believe it or not, people do want to listen!
Please, talk to a non-scientist about science once in a while. When you give the opportunity, the questions just roll, and it's a challenge answering them in a way that makes sense to them. I have to say about 50% of the time I ask that question they throw me for a loop! Which makes me a bit uncomfortable, but it's sure worth it. It's better than sales with the average percentage of success being 10%... but remember, pride is always something to overcome.
To finish, it's "easy" to fit in our own little world. We construct, just as we do as scientists in the lab with our systems and experiments, our own centralized dogma (I do not like that word and what it pertains to... but...) which we fiercely uphold. Let's let our barriers down, and learn a little bit more about ourselves and those interested parties out there. They may be a little shy at first, but aren't we as well? Scientists are a gem in a universe of sand. We may drift to the top in our own way, but there are many grains of sand who want to find us that cannot, for whatever reason.
How did you hear about becoming a scientist?
[Comment posted 2007-08-21 13:02:02]
The Flat Earth argument is so intuitive to people sitting on the ground that it took circumnavigation by large communities of adventurers before it became common knowledge for the general public. It seems reasonable that any scientific discovery that challenges easily perceived or faith based common knowledge of the general public is not likely to be incorporated into that common knowledge until the practical application of that discovery has been introduced into the culture (e.g. tea from China by sailing east or west).
Frankly, my take on the general public?s inability to process most scientific information is not that it isn?t presented well. It seems more in line with the natural distribution of people?s ability to incorporate new ideas into their culture. County extension agents in the 1930s called some farmers early adopters and others late adopters of new hybrid seeds. These days the weirdness of quantum mechanics may be accepted not because it is well presented but because digital electronics requires us to accept it.
[Comment posted 2007-08-21 03:56:28]
It is vital however to enable the general public to understand the scientific method. That needs to be made clear and must be repeated over and over again. Many misunderstandings are caused because the fundamental principles of the scientific methodology are not known.
Scientists need to learn how to couch their communications in ways that will be understood. Analogy is not perfect, but it helps.
Mathematics and formulae are not only not understood, but will immediately turn off the majority of the audience because they do not understand them and indeed fear them. They need to be made available (albeit perhaps in as simplified a form as possible) to make them accessible to those who wish to attempt to understand the science underpinning the information. The main line of communication MUST however be clear, concise and simple.
Of course there is a danger of loss of accuracy, of loss of scientific integrity if you like, but the potential gains are enormous - public understanding, public interest, public support.
One of the major problems that the science community faces is that people do not know whom to trust. In the UK, the autism scare and the MMR vaccine exemplified the problem - the public did not have access to the "truth" / did not have the necessary knowledge to test the competing claims. A structure or a methodology, beyond peer review, is needed for the public to be able to judge what to believe, particularly when the "truth" is easily manipulated and some parts of the media have no interest in it other than to create headlines.
The challenge is great - the potential benefits are priceless.
[Comment posted 2007-08-18 21:59:34]
For these people, each research program must be justified on its benefits towards their own respective value systems. As the providers of the funds for most scientific research, taxpayers have every right to demand that those funds be devoted to programs that have the greatest impact on their most pressing concerns and withheld from topics that threaten their values. If scientists cannot make an effective case for the value of their work, they are perfectly justified in withholding their funding.
There is a basic conflict that cannot be escaped by trying to find a middle ground. It is the issue of who owns the truth. Truth that comes from the revealed word of God captured in a book, be it the Bible or the Quran, is absolutely opposed to scientific, contingent truth based on evidence and reason.
This is the master frame for all debates on politico-scientific controversies: science is a seamless web of knowledge, and if you deny any scientific fact, you threaten to unravel all scientific knowledge. Denying evolution leads to denial of molecular biology leads to denial of chemistry leads to denial of quantum mechanics leads to denial of the existence of fluorescent lamps and of transistors in personal computers. But the web is held together by evidence, not by analytic truth. It can be unraveled only by evidence, not by argumentation, and scientists must never fail to emphasize this point as foundational and not as a self-serving appeal for more funding.
Jesus railed against hypocrites and Pharisees, but when faced with modern hypocrites and Pharisees, scientists seem afraid to use the teachings of their Lord against them. Why shouldn't the consequences of global warming be presented in the apocalyptic language of the Old Testament prophets if that's what it takes to get people to listen? Nisbet and Moody point to statements by a coalition of Evangelical leaders concerning climate change as an issue of morality and stewardship. It takes great courage for a scientist to speak out on these topics instead of staying heads down at the lab bench and churning out more technical papers. But tenured positions in universities exist precisely to allow such freedom of expressions. It is up to the tenured professoriate to lead this debate.
[Comment posted 2007-08-16 17:45:02]
Science is fascinating to kids but by the time they get to middle school, most kids aren?t that interested anymore. And by the time you get to high school, you?ve lost even more of them. Why is this?
Because middle and high school science is dull. All the joy of discovery is distilled down to tedious memorization and lifeless lab experiments. I remember my first experiment in high school chemistry. We were to look at a burning candle and write down all the observations we could about it. My friends and I just looked at each other and became completely disinterested in science from then on. It is amazing that I went on to get a Ph.D. in molecular biology!
How can we improve scientific literacy? By making science fun and relevant. And how can we do that? Well, part of the answer lies in getting scientists to present their data in an accurate, education-appropriate, and engaging way.
This may seem like a tall order but it can be done. For the last four years, I have run a program out of Stanford University called LINK">Stanford at The Tech. The idea behind this program is to train scientists in how to write and speak accurately to the public about genetics at a middle school level. I?m not trying to trick anyone or spin results in any way. What I am trying to do is train scientists to get rid of jargon, learn to use an analogy and to understand where the public is coming from in their question.
Most of the graduate students and postdocs have trouble at the beginning, but by the end are able to convey difficult scientific concepts like penetrance or founder effect using analogy and little or no jargon. They are able to talk with the kids who come to The Tech museum about all sorts of difficult concepts and to answer their questions accurately and understandably.
We also get kids excited about science again (or help maintain their excitement). We come up with fun ways for them to explore heterozygosity, DNA sequencing, protein purification, etc. Hopefully the joy they show at the museum will stick with them into adulthood.
Overall I have found that the public really wants to better understand science but that the people who know science are by and large incapable of explaining it to them. Remember the last time you talked to a lawyer or read a contract? That is how the public probably feels when they talk to a scientist or read a scientific article.
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[Comment posted 2007-08-14 17:27:33]
So while we are presenting results, we need to say something about how they were arrived at, and how/why alternative explanations were rejected. Most science is taught to laypeople as facts, and completed theory. Because of this much of the public doesn't realize the painstaking process that was undergone to insure the integrity to the results.
[Comment posted 2007-08-14 16:07:37]
Any theory that cannot be reconcilled with these basic scientific principles should be thoroughly scrutinized and alternative interpretations of observations are needed before scientific credibility can be assumed!.
[Comment posted 2007-08-14 15:04:09]
The less you communicate directly (in simple, layman's terms, I might add), the easier it is for the gross exaggerations and misinterpretations about any particular study's results to hold sway, obscuring the broader contexts that are so vital to public understanding.
Not the least of the problems: The less clear the communication, the less satisfactory are the public policy - and funding - outcomes.
[Comment posted 2007-08-14 13:43:25]
Cheers
[Comment posted 2007-08-14 10:02:17]
Anti-scientists often provide information which can seem more detailed and "scientific" than the brief explanations provided by pro-science websites. In many cases anti-scientists even provide references to the studies they misrepresent, safe in the knowledge that few readers will be able to access them or in many cases understand them.
What would be useful would be for pro-science lobby groups, perhaps in cooperation with scientific associations, to provide stable sources of information on controversial issues, with brief items leading to more detailed commentary aimed at the educated layperson but pointing out the key take home points from the relevant studies, with references supplied for those who do wish to follow anything up. Too much valuable argument and information is being posted on Blogs and will be difficult to find in a few months time.
Sound bites are all very well, but you need to have somewhere to point people to once you've got their attention...and a PubMed ID won't do!
[Comment posted 2007-08-14 00:05:19]
If I the ignorant public has been taught that it is fact and not a theory, then it is because the scientific community deliberately advertised it that way. So my ignorance is due to the likes of Mr. Hern who thinks I represent the ignorant masses. Well, maybe he is right, the ignorant masses have accepted the theory of evolution, and other theories, as fact, simply because Mr. Hern et al said it is so.
I repeat, instead of "selling" science, present it as it is and what it is and quit advertising it as something it is NOT.
[Comment posted 2007-08-13 20:46:29]
How could non-scientists be expected to be able to do better?
Reminds me of the old anecdote about the yokel from a very small village, who had never seen a steam-engine in his life. So, his more sophisticated friend drives him in a horse-drawn carriage to the train-station in the nearest town. And here comes the train, with a lot of noise and billowing smoke!
The train stops at the station, and the yokel cannot believe his eyes. But his friend explains:
"It is all really very simple. You see that big container there? They fill it with water. And underneath it they burn the coal. So the fire turns the water into steam, and the steam pushes the piston, right there, and the piston is connected to this rod, which is connected to the wheels. So the rod pushes the wheels of the steam-engine, and the steam-engine drags all the other cars along. Do you understand?"
"Oh, yes!", says the yokel. "It is indeed very simple. I only have one question. Where do they hitch the horses?"
[Comment posted 2007-08-13 20:03:33]
How many persons with a 'science degree' actually know what science is and how it differs from, say, history as a field of study?
If they do not know what science is, how can they tell others?
Have you noticed that the great majority of people who wait on you are unable to make change? If people can not do simple arithmetic how can they be expected to understand the math that is the language of so much of science?
Schools need to start teaching a philosophy of science. This should probably include exercises in being wrong, critical thinking, some form of art to develop creative thinking skills where there really is no right or wrong,
We live in a world that, for most people is, literally, magical. To quote Arthur C. Clark "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
If you expect people who live in a magical world that they do not understand not to believe in magic (viz. creationism) then you are delusional
I doubt that one person in 100 could tell you how a cell phone or a gps works even in the most general terms. They certainly have no idea what quantum theory or relativity theory are in their most basic forms.
People are scared and taught to be scared. Scared people make lousy scientists.
Conveying complex ideas is not easy. People who understand such ideas are usually not the best teachers. See Richard Feynman for someone good at explaining such ideas.
Follow the money. Get involved. Leverage your connections.
In my opinion, a person should not be able to get a HS. degree unless they know basic physics, the periodic table, and have some idea of how the world really works. And they certainly should not be able to get a college degree.
It would also be a good idea if they could change a tire and build a bird house without cutting off their fingers. That is another problem, people are way to far removed from the real physical world.
I could go on.
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[Comment posted 2007-08-13 14:42:26]
Einstein was able to contribute his Theory of Special Relativity by working at the Swiss Patent Office in Zurich, an organization which is interdisciplinary by its very definition. Other organizations of this interdisciplinary type are the USA National Institute of Standards (NIST), the USA Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton, the TATA Institute of Fundamental Research (India), the U.S. Naval Research Lab, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, the Weizmann Institute Israel, the Technion Israel, the Indian Institute of Science, the Indian Institute of Technology, etc.
Look on the internet under Wikipedia's "Top Research Universities," "Top Research Institutes," etc., which have references to other sites that effectively rank world universities and research institutes in science and mathematics and engineering as well as medicine. There are rankings by world, continent, nation, etc. The best rankings are usually NOT by news magazines or newspapers, which tend to use "popularity among professors" and "percent of admitted students who graduate" and other criteria rather than research quality.
Certain scientific fields are also more interdisciplinary by their nature than others. One of the most interdisciplinary field is Astrophysics, and the public can seldom go wrong in looking for journal and online papers in this field, which are especially found in arXiv and Front for the Mathematics ArXiv on the internet and are free.
Osher Doctorow
[Comment posted 2007-08-13 12:57:58]
[Comment posted 2007-08-13 12:29:46]
[Comment posted 2007-08-13 12:06:25]
of time in some applications. Especially if the
technology is ahead of its time and is not well
understood by the community, possibly setting back innovation.
That is why I have bypassed most peer reviews in
announcing my technology break throughs.
For example my latest. I will post the link in the hope I do not violate and terms of the forum.
LINK
enjoy,
michael
[Comment posted 2007-08-13 11:57:08]
Still, as the proponents of framing point out, we are stuck with a very ignorant and largely superstitious public. Should we then just buy into the framing idea, even though it reeks of the sort of anti-intellectual pap that we can't stand as citizens and accept as scientists?
I think the answer depends on the context of the discussion. Most of the examples of bad "framing", which usually means scientsts using either inflammatory rhetoric (e.g., Dawkins) or making lots of equivocal statements (e.g., regarding climate change), take place outside of a strictly scientific forum, such as the discussions of religion or policy. In those contexts, I tend to agree with the framing proponents that we should take care to understand the concerns, limitations, and objectives of the audience. It does no one any good to launch sneering and angry attacks on God and religion to an audience that includes many who hold religious beliefs or to offer a lot of hedging language to elected officials and the general press when discussing policy questions. In those formus, maintaining a sense of respect for the audience is crticial. And scientsts can offer many important insights in those matters, but only, as the proponents of framing suggest, when they see their comments in a larger context than just communicating scientific "facts" to the ignorant. Anyone discussing religion or policy can only advocate for the adoption of an opinion; they cannot make the scales fall from the eyes of the ignorant. The resounding victory of the oppontents to ID in the Dover case relflects some very thoughtful attention to the realities of expressing the facts of ID and evolution to the court and the jury by considering their backgrounds. (And I suspect that Professor Dawkins was not invited to pontificate on that question before the court for a reason.)
But outside the context of addressing those questions where scientific information is part of a larger issue, I see no reason for "framing" at all. We are already becoming inundated with ever slicker marketing of scientific data and arguements that reflects the movement of our society to a "marketing" culture. That sort behavior is antithetical to the scientific method and the fair debate of theories, hypotheses, and the interpretation of data necessary for good science.
So, perahps the best answer is to return to the basics of good communication: understand your audience, understand the points you want to make, and then choose the best approach to bring the two together.
[Comment posted 2007-08-13 11:21:13]
[Comment posted 2007-08-11 11:06:58]
I taught a graduate course that focused on communicating scientific findings to a wide variety of audiences. I had outside audiences ranging from professionals in fields outside of agriculture to undergraduates studing to be news reporters. These audiences helped my students recognize and eliminate jargon in their presentations. The students learned to determine the technical level of understanding of their audience and then pitch their presentation to the audience; neither too technical nor patronizing. The students responded to the challenge of delivering their research results in a variety of ways and came to enjoy interacting with their audience.
[Comment posted 2007-08-09 18:49:01]
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[Comment posted 2007-08-09 18:16:11]
Simplifying science is hard! It requires discipline-specific expertise to be sure the simplified facts convey the correct story, and it takes communications expertise to ensure the message can be understood. Communicating science is a team effort.
Taxpayers and shareholders who make our science possible, must be provided with science that is simple, not spun. As scientists we had better get good at simple, or the spinners will have us looking for new work.
[Comment posted 2007-08-08 23:25:09]
Now, if a scientist sees what he considers valid reasons to critique a study that was published in Nature, based on improper experimental design, improper interpretations of data, or both, the only option he has is to submit a critique in the form of a "Brief Communications Arising", which, if accepted will not be published in print, but only by posted by Nature online.
A "Brief Communications Arising" is, however, allowed not more than 700 words, with not more than 10 references, and it must be understandable by non-professionals. It is practically impossible to submit any serious critique of any complex scientific issue, within such limitations, even if you did not have to make the critique understandable to non-professionals. Try to explain the issue to non-professional, and you end up using all the allowable space, when you have barely started.
In short, there isn't a chance that you will be able to submit a proper critique that will be accepted even for an online posting. Try to submit a critique to another journal, and you will most likely be advised that a critique should be published in the journal that published the original article you are criticizing. The result is a "Catch-22" situation.
I speak from experience!
How will professional readers of Nature, so highly trusted by so many, ever find out that Nature might have published grave errors regarding an extremely important scientific issue? They won't!
[Comment posted 2007-08-08 05:21:39]
[Comment posted 2007-08-07 14:32:56]
General assignment reporters, even if so inclined, often don't/can't do the research to place an announcement in context, either because they don't know where to look or don't have the time to do the research. The scientist must do this for the reporter before the work is announced. Scientists must anticipate the layman's question and be prepared to answer it succinctly. At the same time, the scientist needs not only to explain what his/her work says, but equally important, what it doesn't say.
As a lobbyist and crisis communicator often confronted with communicating scientific issues to Congress, I struggle to create a message that is not only efficient ("sound bite")and credible but accurate. I sometimes hesitate to bring the scientist to DC because, quite frankly, the toughest person in the world to media train to deliver good messages is the scientist. Why? Because they know so much about the issue, they can't edit this mountain of knowledge and they have an uncontrollable urge to share all they know. This is the antithesis of good communication.
Equally important, however, is that scientists reading the reporting of a discovery or an important announcement must speak up when they see either bad or inaccurate reporting. It's incumbant upon them to draw attention to the inaccuracy or misreporting in the interest of honest understanding and good science.
[Comment posted 2007-08-07 12:40:49]
However on topics that have a near term impact on society the scientist should consider that the audience is larger and more diverse and frame the science in a manner that is more inclusive and understandable to that audience.
[Comment posted 2007-08-07 12:28:20]
For subjects that would have serious impact on the society, we should think of making the points through movies/drama.. introduce the subject in soap-operas, as special episodes; or make it a theme of a movie,or a play.
With computer technology there are other ways of communicating. For children and teens, one could design video games to teach the pivotal points.
An engineer, a surgeon,an accountant or a physician can show the results of their work they are paid for within a short time. Scientists do not have that luxury. Many a time I have been asked " when are you going to find a cure for cancer"? So, we all need to learn to communicate what we are doing and why we are doing the research we do; once the results are there, explain how it might impact the life of the public at large. One day in a restraunt a family was dining next to me. The mother was ordering her eight year old to eat all the veggies,explaining they have anti-oxidants which are good for him and he cannot get them any other way. The kid shot back " I thought oxygen is good for you, why are you making me eat "anti-oxigens"? Well, you can either yell at the kid asking him not to be a smart"AXX" as his dad did, or learn to explain in a way that would make sense to him.
[Comment posted 2007-08-07 08:25:30]
The fundamentals of science are "taught" throughout the educational process then allowed to be totally dropped or only surveyed at the college level. Either change change the way science is taught or start training Technical Translators that can explain and/or spin science in the media.
[Comment posted 2007-08-07 05:20:13]
But as I said before, encouraging some investigation into social psychology is the key here. Why is it that so many individuals who do not know what they are talking about, so proudly and boldly and publicly announce their illiteracy? It is certain that they do not hold these views because they have compared and contrasted the theory of evolution with the proposition of Intelligent Design. Instead, they believe they have compared the two because of some very compelling psychological process that causes them to believe what their sub-culture teaches in order to support their version of creation. In their minds, something is causing them to ignore objective and critical thinking, and instead follow an emotional surge and righteous vindication when they hear their religious view being supported by some intelligent people. No amount of framing will help with this mindset, and unfortunately, since this mindset exists, it necessarily trickles down via mass media to the under-educated as a "respectable" opposing viewpoint. Then, to ?frame? hard factual data to those undereducated individuals, as we are proposing now, is only to make the scientific position on any given topic look like ?just an alternative? viewpoint. So, as I proposed in my earlier comment, educating children early on about the scientific method and HOW and WHY such a method works will equip them with the ability to see quack-science on their own, and not need scientists to spell it out for them (which is not likely to work anyway).
[Comment posted 2007-08-07 02:30:09]
Second, "framing" is not necessarily "spin", but of course can be abused that way.
Third, the shocking lack of scientific literacy in the U.S. is not remedied by good framing. Bill Nye has provided a wonderful service. As well, surprisingly, "Myth Busters", who showcase a quasi "peer reviewed scientific method". But these do little to get the average Joe to understand what science is.
Unfortunately, there is no silver bullet, and instead, it has to be a steady mutli-generational effort. Children need to be shown in "framed" ways how to perform the scientific method, and be able to articulate themselves why the scientific method is a powerful tool to understanding our environment, and why it certainly trumps any other claims of how things work when such claims are demonstrably error prone.
Finally, understanding why societies follow odd thought patterns and loyalties to basic error-prone ideas is likely to be the key to getting the public who is not scientifically literate to see science as the peer reviewed, solid, robust entity that it is, and not a round table of ten men in lab coats who decide what gets to be called a fact and what does not. Research on Nazi German Anti-Semitic propaganda or southern U.S. ?whites only? water fountains culture, and why most of the populace simply accepted such ideas, is ironically the key to understanding how to get them to accept science as a respected discipline. To those who do not wish to investigate, truth and fiction are indistinguishable.
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[Comment posted 2007-08-06 19:00:06]
\Perhaps if there were a large panel, organized by area or city, it might stimulate more interest in science.
Our audience is what may be called well eductaed but not specialists - although we have a large number of practicing and recently practicing scientists in a variety of sciences who have lectured to us.
Please consider that this easy availability of speakers who can explain some aspects of science is a good idea. We have had lectures on stem cells,warminmg, humandevelopment,atomic physics,biology,brain studies,atomic physics....
[Comment posted 2007-08-06 16:24:58]
We sure did a poor job of framing genetically modified crops and the nay sayers set its adoption back 10 years and possibly more. They sure ran a lot of small firms out and assured it all be in the hands of a few large firms.
Those same shrill voices are pushing us down the road to biofuels that at best use 83% of their energy output to produce and don't break even in some cases. As someone that still shares in income from the farm I like wheat at $5.90 a bushel, up 150% and cotton up 30% as corn takes land away from cotton production. But I don't think the rest of the world will.
The shrill voices of the press and groups that take up a cause come late to the game, they don't understand the stakes or how long or the cost or consequences of the changes they think should be done today and they sure don't stay around to take the blame when they fail.
In a world that soured on atomic power plants those that caused it feel no guilt for filling the air with the pollutants of coal fired plants. They just want an ever more expensive solution that will put an end to the economies of the world if implemented the way they want in the time frame they want.
We must do a better job telling our story and tell it well enough to be heard over the din of voices of chaos if the world is to be saved from itself. In a world where the village idiot has just as much say as the king in the public media. We must find a way to be heard above the din.
Gordon Couger
Stillwater OK.
[Comment posted 2007-08-06 14:32:09]
While Pielke's "The Honest Broker: Making Sense of Science in Policy and Politics" makes a host of simplifications, it clearly articulates the fundamental problems that arise when scientists are confronted with communicating their knowledge to others. In the end, there are questions of values and motives that must be confronted by scientists before they attempt to convey their knowledge to outsiders.
There is nothing wrong with having those values/motives, but it is important to recognize that they may not be shared and, as a consequence, scientists must be careful to distinguish between that which science "proves" and that which the scientist believes must be done in the face of that proof. The need to employ a Lakoff-ian "framing" emerges out of the tension between these two.
Too often, scientists have presented themselves as honest brokers of knowledge when, in fact, they are actively working as advocates. Scientists should be allowed their advocacy positions, but they should never claim that the use of scientific information in the defense of their positions necessarily privileges that advocacy position.
Doing so undermines the credibility of the presenter and, unfortunately, the field itself.
[Comment posted 2007-08-06 13:18:54]
There is no other alternative!
[Comment posted 2007-08-06 11:01:51]
Based on many years of doing peer-reviewed science while also writing books and columns about science for nonscientists, I have long been persuaded that scientists will have a far better chance of selling their science if they first clean house.
Virtually every issue of SCIENCE and NATURE carries a news story about the latest scandal, plagiarism or paper retraction? When will this end? The miscreants among us drag all of us down in the eyes of the public.
Why do some scientists give support to cynics by exaggerating the facts and making over-the-top predictions to make their point?
Why do some journals and even entire fields of science tolerate overt conflicts of interest while others do not require full disclosure of data and the algorithms used in some models?
Why do many journals charge enormous fees (e.g., $30) for a copy of a paper that was sponsored by taxpayers?
When will every science degree include basic courses in cultural history, the history of science, government, writing, ethics and a general review of all the major fields of science?
It is also worth considering that when some taxpayer-supported scientists disregard or even ridicule the cultural and religious views of the taxpayers who pay their salaries, benefits and overhead, they are not doing science a favor. Yes, they have the right, and it might even make them feel good, but the cost is bad public relations.
Scientists will be far better able to reverse the increasing cynicism among nonscientists when they polish their image by addressing these and other serious issues. I propose that a conference be convened or a panel be designated to review the issues and produce a formal report on how science can address and resolve these issues. The conference or panel should include educators, auditors, former legislators, ethicists, attorneys, citizen scientists, science journalists, journal editors, grad students, post docs, mid-career scientists and senior scientists.
When scientists clean house and are ready to promote their science, there is no better advice than that offered by Richard Feynman in his 1974 commencement address at Caltech: "I would like to add something that's not essential to the science, but something I kind of believe, which is that you should not fool the layman when you're talking as a scientist."
Forrest M. Mims III
www.forrrestmims.org
[Comment posted 2007-08-05 22:12:21]
[Comment posted 2007-08-02 20:30:26]
What is needed are scientific writers who can communicate to the public.
Writers needs to be taught scientific writing as well as factual, news, journalism, non fiction.
Best bet for scientists are non-fiction writers. They will wrap themselves around the topic.
Good Science researcher/writers who are able to put the scientific language into a public format, where the reader/audience can learn and comment would be an asset to newspapers, magazines, and television/internet. Science is part of everyday life, and it should be part of the information industry, on local levels as well as national and international levels.
Truth in science is also the best policy, no matter the outcome. The writer has to see beyond the facade of science and see the full truth, not what is programmed from the scientists or the university, lab, government agency or company scientists.
The media should be an open source to the public on science that needs to be relayed. Science news should not sway in a political manner and should not have an agenda other than to discover or to relay the truth of the science.
Swaying people to a certain theory is also wrong.
Theories should be debated in a public forum.
Scientific debates on all theories should be made available for the public to attend. Science should never be secret endeavors, otherwise, the public is not kept aware of important findings, that pertain to everyday life.
[Comment posted 2007-08-02 04:51:52]
Experience of media and politics tells us scientists can interpret 'framing' as a need to have a better understanding of how politicians and the lay public interpret science speak -- uncertainty being a key troublesome concept. What a lay audience hears when a scientist says there is xx percent uncertainty is "we don't know" . What the scientist understands is that of course there is never absolute proof in science and we are operating on the best available evidence.
Framing in the climate change communication arena has recently shifted to risk management terminology which is closer to what people understand in everyday life dealing with insurance etc.
Understanding the impact of language and rhetoric is important as is the appreciation of context in presenting scientific findings -- where can the audience slot this information in the big picture of discovery or within the science and policy framework?
That is all framing, and not the same as spin
[Comment posted 2007-08-01 18:40:23]
The real debate is whether scientists should explain the implications of scientific discoveries for society. I would argue they are a unique position
to stimulate informed debate by stating (for example) their concern about the effects of climate change, the economic value of healthy wetlands or the ethical issues raised by stem cell research.
But while everyone, scientists included, have a right to their own opinions, the terms "sell" and "framing" implies that the authors are advocating from scientists the kind of manipulation we expect from those with a vested interest in a specific outcome. Hopefully, scientists can cultivate honest discussion and at least acknowledge opinion with which they don't agree.
[Comment posted 2007-08-01 13:00:27]
Young scientists, if they take the time to communicate to the public about their work, or about science in general, are likely to find that this will work against them in the tenure decision. They will be seen as "not serious scientists" and as having wasted time and resources that could have/should have been spent in the lab or on grant proposals.
I think this is a grave mistake on the part of the scientific community. Given the use of public funds to support most basic research and science teaching, we cannot continue to act as the high priests of science who only talk to each other. If this continues, at some point the average tax payer will decide that his tax dollars would be better spent some other way.
Whether we need more scientists or not, we definitely need everyone to know more about science. Modern life is affected more and more by technology, and yet scientific literacy is in a woeful state. Scientists need to do their part to remediate this situation.
[Comment posted 2007-08-01 11:20:06]
Yes, Newton did not use public money and he made available his research to all. How can The Scientist even mention his name?
[Comment posted 2007-07-31 19:33:02]
I believe that science needs more scientists who are willing and able to present science in a manner that the general public find both interesting and understandable. Think David Bellamy and Richard Attenborough documentaries. There is also no need or justification to either ?spin? or distort facts to tell a story, but there is a huge necessity for science to be presented in an understandable manner. Science must compete for government funding with any number of other budget areas, and the old adage about squeaky wheels and oil comes into play. Groups who can present well in a public arena tend to flourish, where those that either can?t or wont, don?t. Personal presentation does matter, particularly on TV or in front of politicians and the public. Get some good clothes, get a haircut, and play the game or fade into obscurity.
[Comment posted 2007-07-31 12:54:50]
Overall, the solution to the problems related to poor public understanding of science must be attacked by professional science communicators. Scientists should remain focused on their immediate sphere of responsibilities.
CT
(former practicing scientists)
[Comment posted 2007-07-31 10:49:23]
As a science journalist for more than 20 years, I have seldom ?if ever- found a scientist answering to a question with a simple ?I don?t know.? Some scientists will point out that there is a great degree of uncertainty in many subjects, and this is today quite clear in the climate change or ?global warming? debate.
Politicians are overwhelmingly ignoring real scientific facts and rely on the opinion of scientific advisors that are aware of the political agenda of their ?advisees?. So they give their bosses what their bosses want to hear, and that is as far away from honesty and real science as it can be imagined. Of course, conveying science to the public is no easy task, and history gives so many examples about how science has been distorted to promote a political agenda that I cannot put much faith in the future of science communication. Clear examples are political campaigns of the past, where dubious scientific studies have been used to ban DDT, or CFCs, or PCBs, or many useful chemicals and/or technologies (biotech and genetic engineering is our present example of a politically driven campaign to stop an already proven useful technology), following the dogma a of the Malthusian philosophy.
And, of course, real and honest scientists should stay away from Stephen Schenider?s advice of 1968: "To capture the public imagination, we have to offer up some scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have. Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective, and being honest."
He simply forgot that only the truth will set us free.
[Comment posted 2007-07-31 03:06:47]
Most of the public has not the faintest idea how to evaluate scientific discoveries or scientific news (including mathematics, engineering, medicine). In the process of teaching the public a little about this, scientists can also interest the public in science itself.
For example, "laymen" can actually access physics and mathematics papers on arXiv and Front for the Mathematics ArXiv free, and they can practice a few methods of evaluating the contents of papers by such indicators as whether a paper just alters one or two words of the title of a previous paper or is mostly different from other titles. They can also determine whether the author of a paper is from one of the top ranked universities or from a "bottom ranked" university, whether the author is a Nobel Laureate (at least in physics) or other major prize winner from related internet sites, etc.
Scientists can even do more to enable the public to evaluate papers by scientists in the above scenarios, including issuing lists of major current issues and problems which the reader can then check against the titles of papers. If the list is issued by a large scientific or mathematics organization, it probably would convey more credibility to the public. Sometimes titles of papers don't mention issues covered in the papers, but quite often they do.
[Comment posted 2007-07-31 00:22:33]
But this problem is almost a blessing compared to the real problem with the public's misunderstanding of evolution. The greater problem is the scientific community's own naive insistance that creation science isn't something they need to know about, beyond a vague idea that its bad - that teaching evolution is all that is necessary. Following and opposing creation science is still something that's sloughed off to one or two obsessed individuals on campus, the way the use of computers was unfashionable in the 80's. In this vacuum the well funded, PR competent, and long view planning creation science campaigns have successfully convinced the public that scientific knowledge, of at least some subjects, is totally subjective. The problem is much worse than most seem to realize. I've had the opportunity to teach AP Biology and have been astonished to find how many high school teachers feel it necessary to present creation science, however briefly, as an alternative to the real science. Like most of the university academic community, apparently, they believe a little bit of it won't hurt when, in reality, it destroys the student's clear understanding of what science is, and how its done.
Only a handful of academics are even attempting to frame the subject of evolution against what the public is familiar with, creation science, and explaining why creation science is wrong while not threatening religious beliefs. This isn't spin, its framing the subject in a useful, and truthful way. Its alot more truthful than insisting on ignoring the problem.
[Comment posted 2007-07-31 00:08:48]
By the way, i am not a scientist, just a Ph.D student who has already set the goal to become a seicntist:)
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 23:40:45]
By the way, i am not a scientist, just a Ph.D student who has already set the goal to become a seicntist:)
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 22:45:54]
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 19:22:05]
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 17:27:30]
The issue for the scientific community is to address the misinformation and provide a clear and compelling case promoting the case for science and progress. In the absence of a pro-science advocacy initiative, this well-funded and organized anti-science agenda will continue to spread unimpeded. Unfortunately, unlike the case of the Luddites, shipping them off to Australia is probably not an option for us!
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 15:40:36]
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 15:27:27]
They argued that since different audiences respond differently to certain science-based public policy issues, then scientists should trade their reliance on fact-based arguments for ones instead more slanted towards the interests of specific groups. Their examples -- climate change, evolution, and stem cells -- seem all-too-closely similar to the parable of the blind men and the elephant, each man describing the beast based on his own limited data. In the end, while each describes a portion of the elephant accurately, none can picture the entire animal. That seems more a model for politicians than scientists, and the duo's advice that "scientists should strategically avoid emphasizing the technical details of science when trying to defend it," seems somewhat dishonest. I would hope that researchers continue to rely on their data, rather on what "spin" on an issue might prove more convincing.
I've spent the last 35 years or so translating science for the news media and the public (and been somewhat successful at it). In all that time, I felt the onus was on the scientist to do the best research possible and the translation was, in large part, the responsibility of those of us who communicate science. Expecting great scientists to be great communicators is too much to ask, since both the science and the translation are substantive challenges. If it were that easy, then more scientists would readily do it.
In a time when the national attention span has dwindled frighteningly, advice to tailor the scientist's message to what an audience wants to hear -- instead of letting the data speak for itself -- flies in the face of the historic trust and respect the public has for science and scientists.
Let the politicians and PR gurus cater to public thirsts, and let scientists continue to do good science.
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 15:20:02]
by Carol Everhart Roper
[Comment posted 2007-07-30]
As a non-scientist who avidly reads scientific publications and books, I'm not typical of the public needing clarity about science. But I do talk a good deal with others about scientific issues, in particular those which can be considered moral and ethical challenges.
In my opinion, scientists should NEVER lie or otherwise spin data to suit their audience, however, they SHOULD make every effort to understand the audience's uneducated beliefs about the issue so that when they give information, they can directly address these issues. Most non-scientists don't truly 'hear' facts unless they are presented in conjunction with relevance to their beliefs.
A perfect example of this miscommunication/misunderstanding is the stem cell debate. The absurd belief that utilizing umbilical stem cells for research is somehow killing babies is nearly incomprehensible, yet this attitude among the ignorant has profoundly affected funding and research - to the detriment of all. Only clear, concise, honest yet simple explanations to the general public will eventually remedy this fiasco.
I believe the goals of scientists when publicizing scientific data beyond the scientific community should be utmost clarity, taught with integrity and respect for the reader (whether they deserve it or not). Spin will only generate mistrust. Overly technical presentations will be worthless as they'll not be understood.
Publications which present these issues to the general public should have secondary editors who are neither scientists nor science writers reading articles as an assist for comprehension by the targeted audiences.
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 15:04:24]
Interpretation of the data and discussing why this data means something to the overall world is very important. Nonscientists tend to interpret scientists desire to be accurate and neutral as meaning scientists don't care about the world or other people, and that they are cold and unfeeling. The nonscientists also aren't particularly interested in technical details, but are very interested in the possible applications.
While scientists tend not to like to interpret the data too far, as they believe that this is innaccurate, I think it is acceptable to frame your data carefully and give opinions about the impact of it.
Finally, while I do believe interpretation is important, things to be careful about are: communicating science impacting religion, abortion or other "feeling" areas may not change people's mind about their opinions, as people tend not to be logical about these things; and communications must be done very carefully so as not to be taken out of context. Because of these things, using a communications professional or getting formal training may be very useful.
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 14:27:45]
In my opinion, scientists should NEVER lie or otherwise spin data to suit their audience, however, they SHOULD make every effort to understand the audience's uneducated beliefs about the issue so that when they give information, they can directly address these issues. Most non-scientists don't truly 'hear' facts unless they are presented in conjunction with relevance to their beliefs.
A perfect example of this miscommunication/misunderstanding is the stem cell debate. The absurd belief that utilizing umbilical stem cells for research is somehow killing babies is nearly incomprehensible, yet this attitude among the ignorant has profoundly affected funding and research - to the detriment of all. Only clear, concise, honest yet simple explanations to the general public will eventually remedy this fiasco.
I believe the goals of scientists when publicizing scientific data beyond the scientific community should be utmost clarity, taught with integrity and respect for the reader (whether they deserve it or not). Spin will only generate mistrust. Overly technical presentations will be worthless as they'll not be understood.
Publications which present these issues to the general public should have secondary editors who are neither scientists nor science writers reading articles as an assist for comprehension by the targeted audiences.
[Comment posted 2007-07-30 13:57:24]
This in no way implies we should "spin" the facts or omit anything important. To the contrary, we need to provide the basic story anyone can understand, and also provide resources for more in-depth investigation. This tiered approach to communication allows the outsider to understand the basics and the more experienced to go beyond, all the way to the original research articles if they so desire.
Yes, it requires a greater effort to communicate. But isn't a society that understands science a better one in which to practice our profession?