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Is America competing?
Posted by Edyta Zielinska [Entry posted at 15th January 2010 03:00 PM GMT]
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monopoly on talent? by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2010-01-21 08:17:08] "The time that we had a monopoly on talent, if there ever was such a time, is behind us," Lehming added.
A rather American perspective. From an European point of view, it is not obvious that America has ever had a monopoly on scientific or any other sort of talent. A great deal of it, yes of course. Definitely, the US is not heading i nthe right direction by James Sacco [Comment posted 2010-01-20 14:10:12] 60% of current postdocs are foreign born; life in the US after a postdoc is already hard for the Americans that are interested in scientific careers, let alone those of us who need to transit from an H1B visa to permanent residence.
This is how many postdocs who got their PHD here in the US think: We were trained HERE in the best labs in the world (the US invested in us), and then there is very little effort by the authorities to protect and increase the value of this investment by encouraging us to stay here. Does this make economic or scientific sense? TRENDS by MARK WEBER [Comment posted 2010-01-20 13:18:09] This article and many others like it tend to focus on a positive spin, and their conclusion is generally "The U.S. is still ahead in Science" with the accompanying implication, "So stop worrying!". But the current position is not as important as the trends. And the trends clearly indicate that the U.S. is on a path towards second-rate status in Science and Technology. There have been some very good editorials in the papers lately that I have read about the need for a "wake up call" on the order of the Sputnik-challenge. We have our moment now to re-invest in education, science and technology with a progressive administration in power. Lets hope they can respond to this wake-up call before its too late. Competing or cooperating by JOHN COLLINS [Comment posted 2010-01-19 06:03:01] Taking, competing and exploiting is well established in American business and science. Many non-US citizens saw an interest in having a post-doc in the US as a way of experiencing another culture and seeing a different way of doing things. In the best cases this lead to life-long friendships and collaborations; in the worst, life long feuds and distrust.
Growing from a sort of complacency in the 70s I detected the beginning of an isolationism in the States already in the late 80s which seems to be growing. Politically the US antagonized a large part of the civilized World. Looking at nature and evolutionary mechanisms that lead to long term success maybe there are lessons to be learned. Cooperation, comensalism and symbiosis are the rule of the day. One comparison: The European sequencing of the yeast genome was the largest cooperation that ever took place in the life sciences. The competitive bickering, personal denigration and fighting for grants and recognition during the American efforts to sequence the human genome, including internationally recognized scientists such as Jim Watson and Francis Collins was a disgrace. Of course not by J J CAPONE [Comment posted 2010-01-18 14:09:44] Why should young men and women want to bother with all that difficult science and math? MBA's and lawyers - that's what we need to move forward. We have no manufacturing base so there's little need for engineers. Oh well, nothing lasts forever. Two big reasons why by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2010-01-16 14:26:15] 1. The U.S. has become less the land of opportunity for attracting the best and the brightest from abroad to come and stay, to be exploited to maintain its scientific supremacy.
2. The rest of the world and particularly Asia has learned to play the same game as the U.S. and can afford to keep more of its best and the brightest from permanently leaving their native countries to seek better professional and economic opportunites in the U.S. or other advanced nation. Increasingly less foreign talents are willing to be held back by the glass-ceiling that they inevitably face after working in the U.S., for some years, doing harder and more work which they are often expected or, even, required to do than their American colleagues. In short, it's no longer worth their sacrifice to be exploited for the decreasing rewards and recognitions, while subsidizing their host colleagues who expect to benefit from their labor and advance by promotions while they are left behind in lower positions. Asia Ascending in Science and Engineering by Jagadeesh Anumakonda [Comment posted 2010-01-16 00:28:35] On 15th January,2010 the National Science Foundation in the United States released its regular report on science and engineering indicators. Not surprisingly, Asia appears to be ascending -- and quickly -- toward the top of the heap with regard to science and engineering development. "In most aspects of S&E the U.S. still has a leadership role," NSF officials told a press briefing on Wednesday, January 13, "but there is erosion in specific areas... In Asia, especially China, there is rapid growth."
Dr.A.Jagadeesh,Nellore,Andhra Pradesh,India pay a visit to US labs by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2010-01-16 00:00:26] before long you will know who is competing. This is all about quantity of science. What about Quality? by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2010-01-15 15:00:20] This is all about quantity of science (people involved, research funding, patents issued, articles published). It's much harder to evaluate QUALITY of the scientific endeavor. My gut feeling is that the overall US quality of scientific output is much higher than that of China but lower than that of Japan and the EU countries, but of course I don't know how to try to prove (or disprove) that my gut feeling has any validity.
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