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Home of immune memory found
Posted by Edyta Zielinska [Entry posted at 7th May 2009 05:19 PM GMT]
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Oops.... That should be.... by Hilary Butler [Comment posted 2009-10-26 22:47:45] "because there are ** NO ** detectable antibodies, a person is susceptible to disease." Re cutting slack. by Hilary Butler [Comment posted 2009-10-26 21:08:18] To Donald.
10 minutes in Pubmed suffices. All scientists know the relevant key words. The claim is that the finding is new, which it is not. Reinventing the wheel is an expensive time-waster. By ignoring medical history, scientists can't accurately refine work by exploring known anomalies, or thinking through previous data, and with innovative lateral thinking, proposing and testing new immunological pathways, to expand horizons of knowledge. This study is a classic example of such shortcomings. This study doesn't add much at all to previous information at the end of a mouse, let alone indepth reading. This topic is crucial in the long run, because so often an immunologist will say that "because there are detectable antibodies, a person is susceptible to disease." Yet there is no test for anamnestic responses ( **except say, a 'rechallenge', and a blood test, whereby you say, "Oh, see?? I had IMMUNITY after all!!! ** ). So the public assumes that immunity blood tests encompass all known parameters, when they are only the tip of the iceberg. For all the years that memory immunity has been studied to try to work it out, you'd think that there would have been a lot more movement on the topic. You'd even think that perhaps someone would come up with a valid, non-invasive test for it! However, it could be said that so long as ignorance is bliss, the blind can continue to lead the blind. More history by Richard Jefferys [Comment posted 2009-05-14 15:18:02] Cell Immunol. 1974 Jul;13(1):95-106.
Antibody formation in mouse bone marrow. II. Evidence for a memory-dependent phenomenon. Benner R, Meima F, van der Meulen GM. This study documented migration of mouse CD4 cells to the bone marrow after priming back in 1974. I agree with Hilary that this new paper seems a bit light on the discussion of the history as it pertains to CD4 T cells. It also doesn't discuss some of the issues you'd think deserve consideration, e.g. that BM seems a major site for central memory CD8 T cell proliferation while the paper reports that BM CD4 T cells were not central memory and were not proliferating. Also prior studies of CD4 memory in the BM have stated that the cells have an activated phenotype whereas this paper is saying the cells are all at rest. A recent study from Guido Silvestri's group also documented a higher proportion of proliferating CD4 T cells in the BM versus blood or as measured by both Ki67 expression and CFSE dilution: Blood, Jan 2009; 113: 612 - 621. Bone marrow?based homeostatic proliferation of mature T cells in nonhuman primates: implications for AIDS pathogenesis Mirko Paiardini, Barbara Cervasi, Jessica C. Engram, Shari N. Gordon, Nichole R. Klatt, Alagarraju Muthukumar, James Else, Robert S. Mittler, Silvija I. Staprans, Donald L. Sodora, and Guido Silvestri So it looks like some more work is needed to fully sort out what is going on. Did someone do this before? by Donald Duck [Comment posted 2009-05-09 11:45:37] I don't know how hard it is to find previous experiments of a similar or identical nature, but I suspect that in this age it could be mighty difficult to find one of millions of projects that is similar to yours, even with databases. Cut these guys a little slack here.
Besides, unless something is confirmed by other groups it can't be considered to be reliable. In 1995 by Hilary Butler [Comment posted 2009-05-08 05:00:52] Slifka also showed that specific memory T cells were found in the BM for extended periods and could adoptively transfer protection against chronic viral infection. Tokoyoda has a 1997 Slifka reference, but not this one:
Bone marrow is a major site of long-term antibody production after acute viral infection. Slifka MK, Matloubian M, Ahmed R. J Virol. 1995 Mar;69(3):1895-902. PMID: 7853531 It's free at Pubmed central. And this article by Hilary Butler [Comment posted 2009-05-08 04:52:51] Characterization of CD4+ T cells in mouse bone marrow. I. Increased activated/memory phenotype and altered TCR Vbeta repertoire.
Price PW, Cerny J. Eur J Immunol. 1999 Mar;29(3):1051-6. PMID: 10092110 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] also showed migration of memory T lymphocytes into the bone marrow of mice. This is not new. by Hilary Butler [Comment posted 2009-05-08 04:30:11] I notice her references do not contain two studies by Markus Feuerer.
1) 2001 PMID 11279612 2) 2003 PMID 12910264 Both previously proved that primed memory T-cells preferentially migrate to bone marrow for retainment, in humans not mice. Tokoyoda's references contain no mention of Feuerer's work. I would have thought that if you were going to look at something, you'd look to see if someone had already done that before. And that the peers, refereeing it, would have checked that out too. Home of immune memory found by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2009-05-07 14:01:20] If this is the case then the MHC diversity which is used to infer parasite diversity may not be a true indicator.
It shows that the MHC diversity is only for those parasites at a time of study. Comment on this blog |