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New hope for HIV microbicide
Posted by Alla Katsnelson [Entry posted at 4th March 2009 06:02 PM GMT]
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Re: With all due respect... and You're Welcome / Thanks by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2009-03-04 22:55:30] Yes, I'm a molecular developmental biologist... but sometimes too lazy to dig into the real story of what gets posted by TheScientist.com and I've never been very Politically Correct... hence a few irreverant comments. So you're welcome and thanks for noticing.
As for the HIV/AIDS "controversy" and related conspiracy theories, I think they are based on falacies and that the one "famous" scientist who says HIV is not the cause of AIDS is just being pig-headed. It is very clear that the disease we call AIDS can be transmitted from one person to another by something as simple as a needle-stick accident in a hospital. And, it is quite easy to detect HIV DNA in the T-cells of HIV/AIDS patients, but it is not present in people without the disease. Of course there are some *rare* people with natural immunity or at least resistance, but they are the exception, and not a reason to doubt that the cause of AIDS is HIV. Another writer correctly pointed out that the effectiveness of anti-retroviral cocktails in helping most and possibly even curing some patients makes it clear that a retrovirus is responsible, not some mythical environmental toxin or thinking bad thoughts (yes, some New Age people really believe that stuff). I have a challenge for all the people who are sure HIV isn't necessary and sufficient to cause AIDS. Let's give you an injection of purified HIV and see what happens. We only need a few to several volunteers for it to be statistically significant. Then we'll see how they are doing after a year or two. If they are all fine, I will eat my proverbial hat. I think there is a reasonably good AIDS model. It is not HIV in chimpanzees... it is SIV in rhesus macaques. Poor things... instead of suffering from AIDS, they should have someone rubbing love-lotion on their privates. Baxter Zappa Re: With all due respect... by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2009-03-04 20:36:48] Well said. However, the success of the RT inhibitors does tend to point to some truth in the HIV=AIDS story. Perhaps HIV causes only a part of the progression to AIDS. Is there some other second or third mode of immune system failure that finalizes the progression to AIDS? Think about the long-term-nonprogressors and the lack of a succesful animal AIDS model. Bright Idea, But I Woun't Call IT A Microbicide by Hongrong Cai, MD [Comment posted 2009-03-04 15:02:29] Basically it works similarly as a condom, providing a barrier between HIV and the entry, dendritic cell or CD4+ T cell. Thank you, Baxter by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2009-03-04 14:58:02] I appreciate your wonderfully witty response to this otherwise ridiculous article on the pseudoscience of HIV/AIDS. Are you a scientist, as well, or merely a dubious onlooker?
Peace... a concerned scientist. With all due respect... by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2009-03-04 14:11:50] First and foremost, there is no animal model for HIV/AIDS. The chimpanzees originally utilized for study, back in the 1980's, never developed AIDS-related symptoms and/or disease processes, and were (ultimately) "retired" from the research investigation in recent times, alive and well. No other animal model has been found, which is why there has become a tacit agreement among researchers within the HIV/AIDS community that it is okay to experiment on human beings. All one need to is look at the dozens of studies that have been done in Third World countries, wherein the idea of informed consent is all but non-existent, and compliance is enforced by mis-and/or dis-information and hyperbole about consequences to the "infected" patient if they fail to use toxic drug therapies or willingly subject themselves to the administration of one or another vaccine. Note that, to date, there are over 60 failed vaccine trials...most of which were perpetrated on subjects in Third World countries.
Second, and more importantly: according to well-documented evidence supporting this - and manifold statements by Luc Montagnier, himself - so-called HIV has never been successfully isolated, nor have apparently HIV-infected samples been shown to cause any disease in healthy subjects (lab animals or human beings). This does not mean there is no such retrovirus; it means that such a virus has not been shown to exist by direct means. That said, the science built upon this failure to isolate is flawed and filled with inconsistencies, regardless of how elegantly complex it has become. What was, we would like to believe, once begun as a scientific investigation, has become a a religious movement; one whose acolytes not only will not engage any longer in applications of scientific methodology but who, at the mere suggestion there might be problems with the HIV=AIDS hypothesis, will seek to publicly crucify and discredit those who question this religious dogma. Where is the science in all of this? What has become of The Scientific Method? What has become of intellectual discourse and the questioning of any and all theories? Even after nearly a century since Einstein first described his Special Theory or Relativity, there was open and scholarly scientific debate around this. Yet, a scant three years after the HIV=AIDS hypothesis was first proposed, it became sacrilege to post a scientific objection to this hypothesis, on the merits, and anyone daring to engage in questioning was labeled a "dissident," a "heretic" and/or a "Holocaust deny-er. As early as 1987, anyone in the medical/scientific communities who questioned the HIV=AIDS hypothesis, or who dared to propose an alternative model, was publicly ostracized. Internationally noteworthy careers were destroyed over daring to exercise scientific (and one would argue, healthy) skepticism regarding this hypothesis. At what other time in the course of modern medical and scientific discovery has this been true? If the science behind this hypothesis is so solid, what then is there to fear from entertaining opposing perspectives? One can only conclude that the most dogmatic of these "true-believers" recognize that the HIV=AIDS hypothesis is rife with problems, and engaging with anyone who questions their dogma might mean the undoing of what has become a convoluted and incomprehensible pseudo-science (a "New-Age Religion") - one with horrific consequences for the innocents who are being subjected to dangerously toxic drug therapies and equally toxic "vaccines." Worse still, the general public, by and large, has little or no idea of the manner in which they have been duped into participating in this religious crusade. This scientist questions the validity of ANY science whose main proponents have ceased questioning their own dogma. There is a fundamental flaw in this hypothesis, and it is high time we all begin to question what he have been led to believe is scientific fact, when indeed it is merely one more religious "truth." Interesting by Philippe Laveaux [Comment posted 2009-03-04 14:04:54] So this GML microbiocide hinder molecules that helps makes us susceptible to contracting this disease. What molecules is this biocide hindering? Is it destroying the surface proteins that the virus needs to invade the T helper cells? Or is it killing off viral proteins the virus injects into the T cells to replicate itself? Warming Gel? by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2009-03-04 13:43:55] This is great news and very encouraging. But I must say I am curious why they used KY Warming Gel instead of regular KY as the carrier... I kind of doubt that the animals get the same erotic pleasure from it as the woman on the TV commercial does(?) One also might wonder if we can use hand lotion, or better yet, Ice Cream to make less-than-safe-sex safer.........
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