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Fungi-farming ants: a new phylogeny
Posted by Bob Grant [Entry posted at 24th March 2008 10:05 PM GMT]
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Time lines by John Burchard [Comment posted 2009-06-19 18:29:33] Frank Leavitt is mistaken about the antiquity of human agriculture. Homo sapiens as a species is only about a quarter million years old. The origin of agriculture is well documented at about 10,000 years ago. It developed out of gathering wild grains in a then particularly fortunate part of the world. Unlike the ants' agriculture, human agriculture has - with some limited and local exceptions - not proven truly sustainable. The present day condition of the "Fertile Crescent" area - where agriculture originated, once the world's breadbasket, now mostly unproductive desert - stands as a rather dramatic indicator of that limitation.
The crops that grow in Mr. Bridges's garden were, of course, not invented or domesticated by him, but are the product of centuries or millennia of human experience. The dramatic difference in time scales between ant and human agricultural "progress" reflects above all the human capacity for "time binding" - we can transmit complex information from generation to generation by speech and writing in a way not available to ants nor indeed except in most rudimentary form to any other animals besides ourselves. Fungus farming has been invented independently more than once in the insect world. The other spectacular example is provided by various species of termites - the huge "ant hills" of the African savannas are actually built by termites and include an elaborate air circulation system which maintains suitable conditions for the fungus gardens within. Those societies are quite comparable in size and complexity - and AFAIK in biomass turnover - with those of the Attiine ants. Several other less conspicuous and AFAIK less well-studied insect groups cultivate fungi on a smaller scale and in simpler ways. I would be very interested to learn about the molecular phylogeny of those termite groups. How many years did it take humans to develop our agriculture? by Frank Leavitt [Comment posted 2009-05-21 10:33:05] I object to C David Bridges' post. It took many, maybe many milions of years of human agricultural experience to get to the point that Mr Bridges could plant his garden.
And what is wrong with learning from other species? We learn from puppies the importance of rough play to build physical fitness. We learn from cats quiet movement. We learn aerodynamics from birds. Why not learn from ants? What are we supposed to learn from ants? by C DAVID BRIDGES [Comment posted 2008-03-28 13:54:33] OK - so ants developed a way of maintaining fungi for food. Took 'em a long time to do it, though, didn't it? I am pretty good at growing mushrooms, and that took only 3 years! I can also grow lettuce, radishes, beans, potatoes, you name it. Proof of primate superiority? Of course! O yea, think! by Guillermo Chac?n [Comment posted 2008-03-28 10:39:17] We (humans) have been learned from nature so much to say now that our superior brains have the solutions for all our problems. And example of our catastrophic but well intentioned approaches to solve global food production needs is the ?green revolution?, and addressing a large and knowledgeable scientific community, I expect no comments needed to explain what...
The scientific trends in different areas (agriculture, biomedical, etc.) are looking for answers in the way that nature through evolution found practical solution to maintain life on Earth for millions of years, the biggest ?proof, error, try again? project in history. Considering their success rate . . . by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-26 11:30:08] Considering the potential mono-culture and agribusiness disasters . . .
Considering the disappearing honey-bee . . . Considering global climate change . . . Considering how successful ants have been in "farming" . . . maybe we should adopt the humility of true science and learn from what works. Use of out superior " Brains " by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-26 06:53:50] In comment to "I think not" blog. We humans need to use our brains more and Think More not "not". Look at all the wonderful medical findings from tropical flowers and plants. Are Ants Next? I think not by Ruth Rosin [Comment posted 2008-03-25 15:38:37] In my humble opinion humans should not try to learn from very primitive animals like ants, how to develop agriculture, but use the far superior ability of human "brains, to achieve that. Comment on this blog |