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Is autoimmunity like cancer?
Posted by Edyta Zielinska [Entry posted at 2nd February 2008 01:16 PM GMT]
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acquired vs inherent genetic predisposition to autoimmunity by Frank Conrad [Comment posted 2008-02-06 14:30:21] I?ve been on the receiving end of Dr. Marrack?s scrutiny, after a research in progress talk at National Jewish. She has a keen scientific mind and her questions and comments are always relevant, always insightful, and often very amusing.
The article did not imply arrogance or derision. The scientific process requires that new ideas are subject to peer review and challenge, to make certain those ideas are sound. Dr. Marrack was not disputing that autoimmunity is a combination of genetics and environmental influence. Her comments to Dr Goodnow simply challenged the idea that autoimmunity occurs predominantly as a consequence of acquired somatic mutations (as cancer does), rather than underlying genetic predispositions already present at birth. Patients Viewpoint - Autoimmune Diseases by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-02-06 01:26:01] I have first hand experience of currently several autoimmune conditions...I am literally dying for a cure...or for effective treatment.
My take on this articlle is clear..any thought provoking expressions made by leaders in the field is all good for finding the answers to why Im like I am now...sick to death. Personally I suffered an unknown gastro bug at age eleven ..then continually suffered IBS symptoms..then for the last 2 years..(fastforward to age 40) infections of camplybacter and then severe chicken pox (nearly died) and now 2 years on I find myself with multiple untreatable uncurable autoimmune diseases. Wheres the genetic link..well my mother had Graves..thats it..brothers and sisters are fine and ten years older. So for me..its clear that Genetics and also obvious environmental triggers were present.. So from my personal perspective I see a mix of geneteic and environmental.. However not to say that Chris is wrong..perhaps the immune system just gets more messed up at each infection. What is clear also to me and to the many autoimmune sufferers is that we need some progress..not just in theory but in practical treatments or cures. Several papers have recently highlighted tbreakthroughs in transplant rejection being overcome by blending or having effectively an immune system transplant. Why can this not be tried now in people dying from autoimmune conditions ? to my knowledge not one effective immune system transplant has occured for an autoimmune patient...why ? I urge the medical community for the sake of the sick and the dying to consider this option where no other option exists..we must move forward. thanks for letting me provide my point of view. Good luck and best wishes to all researchers worldwide..keep working hard,...we need you ! Jon Biophysical-Semeiotic Inherited Autoimmune/Allergic Constitutions. by Sergio Stagnaro [Comment posted 2008-02-04 16:42:01] I described formerly a lot of biophysical-semeiotic constitutions, recognized bedside with a stethoscope (www.semeioticabiofisica.it, including Bibliography). All these predispositions to most common, human disorders, such as diabetes, autoimmunity, cancer,as well as relative Inherited Real Risk, are characterized by local microcirculatory remodelling, wherein are typical newborn-pathological, type I, subtype a) oncological, and b) aspecific Endoarteriolar Blocking Devices (EBD), according to my theory of Angiobiopathy (for instance, see Bibliography N? 140. Stagnaro Sergio. Newborn-pathological Endoarteriolar Blocking Devices in Diabetic and Dislipidaemic Constitution and Diabetes Primary Prevention. The Lancet. March 06 2007. LINK
PIIS0140673607603316/comments?totalcomments=1). As regards autimmunity/allergic constitution, in all BALT, GALT, CALT(= Cerebral Associated Lymphatic Tissue, I discovered a lot of years ago), mamma, urinary bladder, vermiform appendix, a.s.o., doctors can bedside observe typical signs of inherited remodelling, indicating parenchimal cell congenital alterations. In conclusions, in my opinion, Biophysical-Semeiotics data corroborate in some extence the theory of Christopher Goodnow, who thinks genetics trumps environmental signals in kicking off autoimmunity. Interestingly, cancer can occur exclusively in individuals involved by both Oncological Terrain and Oncological Real Risk, whose microcirculatory remodelling is characterized by subtype a), oncological EBD (171. Stagnaro Sergio. Overloking Oncological Terrain and oncological Real Risk, no paper is up-dated! 18 January 2008 Ann. Intern Med. LINK Finally, my 51 year-long clinical experience allows me to state that Oncological Terrain and autoimmune/Allergic constitutions may be associated, BUT rather rearly. Unflattering, unprofessional condescension by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-02-04 15:04:21] While Goodnow's premise may not hold water (or may, time will tell), the behavior of Philippa Marrack - if she truly behaved as described in this report - was arrogant and juvenile.
What an embarassment to all scientists. We need to remember that many now accepted ideas were met, when first presented, with derision. We are supposedly seekers of fact, of truth, whatever it may be, aren't we? How about a little real discussion, challenging the speaker to provide solid examples of his or her reasoning, instead of trying to gain useless attention for oneself by being rude. Comment on this blog |